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ebear's avatar

Wow, this one hits close to home. The rural district I live in had a new fire truck on order, which I read about in the local paper. $1.2M! I realize there's no economy of scale when it comes to fire trucks, it's a small market, but still. So I looked around and found a good used truck of the same type for $450K. Only a few years old, reconditioned, and very low mileage (fire trucks sit parked most of the time). The truck was in Utah, so I offered to drive it to BC for them for free if they paid my airfare and hotel. Sent them the information but never heard back. Not even a thank you.

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J Huizinga's avatar

You were dangerous — someone who might get too close to the money laundering.

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ebear's avatar

LOL... I don't think they're clever enough around here to launder money. They probably just bought the first truck some slick salesman showed them and signed a contract they couldn't get out of:)

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J Huizinga's avatar

Possible but doubtful. Ever hear of the term “kickback”?

As they didn’t even acknowledge you, were this malfeasance ever exposed and you claimed you had sent them a better proposition, they would just come back and say “never got anything from this guy…do you think we wouldn’t have written him back?”

Equivalent of Fauci and other criminals saying under oath “I don’t remember”.

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ebear's avatar

They paid retail for a new fire truck and the price was in line with similar sales. I just didn't think a small town like ours could justify the expense when there were more affordable options and more pressing needs. Some jurisdictions have insurance requirements that dictate fire engines be replaced at intervals much earlier than their expected life span, as I found out researching this. Our town has no such requirement, they just weren't smart enough to go shopping for a deal, and why would they when it's not their money? I probably did make someone look bad though, which I'm guessing is why I got no response.

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Tuco's Child's avatar

USA firetrucks problems continued:

The EV CO2 scam spilled over into firetrucks and school buses and other commercial vehicles. Nothing can beat a diesel truck for reliability, torque and range.

The kickbacks, graft and inefficiencies surrounding the climate and EV scam has been deeply injurious to the USA, and at least temporary boon to China.

Couple that with outsourcing manufacturing to China and others overseas, the USA is facing a crisis in it's manufacturing base, including spare parts.

Los Angeles is a glaring example. At first blush the ex fire chief might appear to be a DEI hire. Actually she was a competent person who advocated for more fire trucks, personnel, etc.

The LA Mayor, an incompetent DEI hire, fired her.

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ebear's avatar

"Nothing can beat a diesel truck for reliability, torque and range."

And since 2010 very clean burning, due to carbon filters and DEF (diesel exhaust fluid) which converts NO2 to N and O. I drove heavy trucks in the 80's and more recently as a part-time retirement gig with a Volvo VNL. The difference from then to now is amazing. More HP, more torque, automated transmission with fewer gears, electric everything and a kick ass stereo! My old truck had a 360 HP Detroit Diesel 2 stroke that made a lot of black smoke. The Volvo I drive now has 550 HP and virtually no smoke. A major difference in climbing hills. My old truck just crawled in 4th, while the Volvo can take most of them in 9th gear. Amazing and a big time saver as I drive in the mountains.

The internal combustion engine has reached the peak of engineering excellence and now, only a few years after all those major improvements they want to abandon them? Idiotic.

Back ordered parts are a big problem with class 8 trucks now. We waited months just to get a replacement fender. Same for just about every part you might need. Long wait times. Very frustrating.

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Bill R's avatar

I'm not economist, but what is the hourly wage difference, the profit margin difference and other factors that make a truck 1.5 million.

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Allan Torng's avatar

Whenever I hear that Wall Street was going to get in on the action, an image of an orange overfed cat puking out a nerf size hairball comes into mind. All anyone needs to know is that such a venture will involve a whole lot of money and someone will walk out door with a good part of that cash.

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M Blu's avatar

Thank you, Kevin, for pulling this ahead of your queue.

It illustrates beautifully where things are going wrong.

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James King's avatar

You don't need to go to China, go to the UK and you'll get one for about £400,000.

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Erl Happ's avatar

Wry humour. What a riot.

The perfect market requires lots of suppliers, lots of sellers, perfect knowledge of the differences between suppliers if any and an absence of collusion. Seems that it exists in China, the home of free enterprise cutthroat competition.

To quote Adam Smith

It is the great multiplication of the productions of all the different arts, in consequence of the division of labour, which occasions, in a well-governed society, that universal opulence which extends itself to the lowest ranks of the people.

The Wealth Of Nations, Book I, Chapter I, p. 22, para. 10.

It is the maxim of every prudent master of a family, never to attempt to make at home what it will cost him more to make than to buy...What is prudence in the conduct of every private family, can scarce be folly in that of a great kingdom.

The Wealth Of Nations, Book IV Chapter II, pp. 456-7, paras. 11-12.

Mr Trump, Mr Bessent and Mr Navarro may be unaware of the above.

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J Huizinga's avatar

Of course Trump and Bessant are aware of this — they just want to make sure you aren’t.

The underestimation of the intelligence of politicians and their controllers is fatal to America.

“Presidents are selected, not elected” — FDR.

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Korpijarvi's avatar

Oh lord.

Stick to Revit, bro.

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Frank Lee's avatar

Smith would never have agreed that capitalism support labor becoming a commodity.

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Hussein Farzam's avatar

Hi kevin!

I am Co-founder and CTO of AlazTech Inc. We are an innovative Fire protection and suppressant Startup in Canada. Our patented technology will take fire suppression and protection into next level. We are in need of business partner/investor, and I would like to know if you could put us in contact with some Chinese Fire-Truck and fire equipment manufacturing companies. Please, get in contact with me and I could send you more detail about our technology. I will be more than happy, if once you get to know our innovation, and want to be personally involve as investor/partner. looking forward to hearing from you.

Best Regards,

Hussein Farzam

farzamh@outlook.com

https://www.linkedin.com/in/hussein-farzam-ba21418b/

https://alaztech.com/

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EagleHorse5's avatar

😀 Busy Is Good 😃

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MeatBeOff's avatar

Those trucks set themselves on fire.

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Canadian Nazarean's avatar

I will point out a missing factor is that EVERY city thinks their truck needs to have custom options which balloons the price. The Chinese factory models are standard models (as they should be).

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Frank Lee's avatar

CCP Propaganda and subsidies for Chinese companies.

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Scott Henderson's avatar

Particularly no EPA or OSHA to slow down and drive up cost of manufacturing.

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Roald Hoppel's avatar

When I started in the fire service we were building a basic fire engine for $250,000!

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James T. Saunders's avatar

Take out the manipulation of Yuan FX and that’s about right. Multiply $400,000 by 7.

Gotta give ‘em the speed factor, no doubt. If we learned one lesson from the NWO/Globalization experiment, it’s that you get innovation when there’s opportunity, esp. when it’s helped by huge state subsidies.

Where was the opportunity for US manufacturers to keep pushing the envelope when it comes to domestic industrial engineering?

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